Absolutely. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. . Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. There are still things that bother me about the new trek too. But the characters are pitch perfect. ;). We never saw her effort to become that person. :P (I know the whole thing of having a *ships* councilor is inherently different from what real therapists do on dry land, but yeah its super weird. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Maybe not but what are your thoughts? What accent? (80's for ya) Star Trek: Discovery Boss Explains That Tilly Reveal - Yahoo! News It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. It just happened. Star Trek: Discovery Season 4 Episode 4 Recap Is Tilly Leaving? | TVLine Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. DSC had many issues at the beginning. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. All are Trek! Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. Exactly. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. I think Mary is amazingly pretty and has absolutely nothing to worry about in terms of her figure. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . Tons do, yes. Control over ones own body is the most basic freedom we should have. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. No one can be expected to sugarcoat reality for you, and your attitude to people who dont is very indicative that you need someone to help you with that. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. But I really do like Book a lot! I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. That will be the one I read first! I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. Mary Wiseman | Body Measurements Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. She is super meta. Overweight is a risk of becoming obese. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. actor requirements for shows/movies ridiculous? - Page 2 That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. You misunderstood. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. It makes it quite American centric. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Why did they do that? Make better choices. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. Right! Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. Then maybe I would actually remember his name! Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. Its her, Adira, Stamets, and Reno who are the really hard science people. Hahahaha! Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Its gotten very stale now. That way she wont get the appearance she does now of jumping over more experienced officers and seeming to just get ahead because shes Sarus favorite. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. Proceed accordingly. 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Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. I have to agree. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. Have to disagree. Story: With . Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Took time to reset the franchise. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Ok, SH didnt invent this. Waste of talent. Im proud to be here and I am proud to wear my skin-tight costume and proud of my body. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. I like her personality though, mostly. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. Her body shape is fabulousshe is gorgeous. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. Loved that show, so did my wife. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Many smoke to keep the weight off. Hopefully its . (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. Tilly is the most human member of the crew. That is definitely not a true statement. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. She makes it all look so easy. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. Smart doesnt mean competent. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine Harry wasnt annoying. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. And I just really love having Janeway back. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? That was always the theory I had for Barclay. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. 1:15. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). I admit, has been a roller coaster between each season. She hopped over those 900 years. Episodes will be. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. Gotta side with Sascha here. I realize there are people who like his quirks. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. Shes not going anywhere. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. Those b@stards, however, totally killed Landry )Cuddles with @actordougjones and @davbentom These men are nothing short of hereoic in prosthetics all day e'reday. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Makes sense. Background information. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+ It took this for me to finally accept who I am. This week's episode raised concerns. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. PS. They basically wrote her off the show! No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. She isnt back on Discovery. Against all odds, shes in Starfleet and thriving. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Doug Jones Transforms into Star Trek: Discovery's Saru | Star Trek It means something to me. Great interview, Dawn. She's interviewed several Star Trek . I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. Its shall we say very variable. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. Is Tilly leaving 'Discovery'? Star Trek star explains that shocking Plenty of curvy ladies are quite healthy and active. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Everyone has their gifts. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Theory: There Is Something About Grudge (laughs). ICYMI: NYCC Season 4 Trailer - TrekMovie.com The message she is sending how? Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. That could be it. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. Thats undeniable. She is one of the best things about Discovery. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Ive never liked Tilly. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. Its just lazy writing. To me, at least. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? I dont think Tilly is ruined. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. 108 comments so far. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. Well, Renos really more engineering. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. It was so fun. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. Neither were annoying. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. She brings so much heart to the show. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. By: TrekMovie.com Staff I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet.
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